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thesmoth
Starting Member
Vancouver
BC
Canada
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 Posted - 11/15/2009 : 09:31:41
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Has anyone ever heard of these scoots. Their website claims they have some fancy 3 speed CCT motor with regenerative breaking, etc... They are 500 watt brushless motors.
"Our MOTORINO™ motors can outperform standard brushless hub or brushless geared motors. Wider and thicker magnets are driven by custom windings to produce 35% more torque than other 500Watt and 750Watt LEV motors. Those windings are sequenced by our new CCT controller- a durable governor which applies torque and speed when necessary, while conserving battery reserves when possible. Satisfying both Canadian and American regulations for power-assisted bicycle motors, our MOTORINO DC Brushless Hub motors can climb steeper and longer hills while carrying heavier loads than any competitor’s bike at the same continuous power. "
They claim they are patenting this technology and that all other cheap chinese scooters will have much worse torque and hill climbing ability. Has anyone ever heard of this, does this sound legit? I've seen cheap scooters from china that people in Vancouver import that cost around $650 for a 500watt, and the motorino scooters here in vancouver cost around $2000, also for a 500 watt. They say that the motors and regenerative breaks are much better and patented, etc... but are the engines actually different than those found in the cheapo $650 ones? They look very similar and have very similar features, accept for the regenerative breaks and CCT system.
I just don't want to spend 3 x the price on a motorino and find out that it is basically the same thing as the cheapo $650 ones.
A place here called sinclair motors sells these LUYUAN 500watt scooters for about $650, and a place called raylight scooters sells ones for about $1400 (they booth look very similar and have the same specs). The motorino ones are much more at around $2100, but as I said they seem to have a few extra features. |
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Storm
Journeyman Modder
Australia
471 Posts |
Posted - 11/15/2009 : 12:06:01
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| Obviously they're not the same as you won't find regen on cheaper models at this time and from what I've heard are not worth it as the weight of the vehicle is so low that the wind slows you down more unless decending a big hill. Also I would like to know what CCT means...CVT is a "constant velocity transmission" like cones and belts, if the description you describe is a direct quote they note a CCT controller not a transmission, so what does CCT mean? A bigger motor (bigger magnets/coils) will make more torque for the same power as they're more efficient at lower rpm whether this is worth the extra $$$ is debatable as you can do many mods like lipo, brushless, LEDs, sport tyres etc for your $1500 you save when you buy the cheaper model. |
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thesmoth
Starting Member
Vancouver
BC
Canada
3 Posts |
Posted - 11/15/2009 : 12:24:39
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Thank you for your response. More from their website on cct stuff.
http://www.e-ride.ca/Electric_Scooters/CCT_Driving_system.htm
http://www.e-ride.ca/Electric_Scooters/Motorino_XPh.html
"THE CCT GEARS
The CCT controller has three electronic gears; each presets a maximum speed for the bike. The controller provides power at different frequencies for each gear. To increase torque it provides impulses to the rotor for longer periods at the same current instead of increasing the current over a short period of time, as in a single speed motor. In other words the CCT allows maintaining optimum power either on high speed or high torque by dynamically changing the motor duty cycle while keep the current constant. This is why we call the system a Continuous Current Transmission. We increase the torque or the speed thanks to the improved efficiency of the CCT. The rider can change between these three gears on the fly.
We have noticed that many manufacturers recently started offering “Three Gears “ switches. From the testing performed we found that the three stage switch just provides three different levels of current to the motor. This increases the torque at the expense of the higher input power, consuming the battery much faster and increasing the pressure to the motor and controller. "
And would those mods you mentioned be easy to do on a cheaper chinese models? I'm assuming that the loss of power for hill climbing that you'd see on going from one of these nice ones, to a cheap chinese one, would not be regained by modding? The motors are both brushless. and lipo refers to a lithium based battery?
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Storm
Journeyman Modder
Australia
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Posted - 11/15/2009 : 20:10:00
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I have done some more reading on this scooter and the features are impresive, ABS hydraulic brakes disc front & rear, the frame and switches etc made by Yamaha, full size scooter tyres and regen quote:
While riding downhill the bike can convert its own inertia into current to replenish its batteries by using a highly efficient regenerative braking system. The much larger magnets and unique winding patterns in our motor produce enough stopping power so that the mechanical brakes are nearly made redundant.
It sounds like a nice package and a good price for what you get.
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thesmoth
Starting Member
Vancouver
BC
Canada
3 Posts |
Posted - 11/15/2009 : 20:41:29
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OK great thanks for the help!
So you think that the Luyuan scooter i've seen for $550 wouldn't be nearly as good at that motorino scooter, even though the they have similar features? The Luyuan says it comes with the regenerative breaking, a helmet/rain cape, 500 watt motor, anti theft, etc... the only thing i'm not sure about is if it comes with a 3 way controller like the motorino (and surely it won't have the motorino's patented stuff). Also i'm wondering if the quality of these are any different (ie, better frames, better sealed against water, etc...) or if they are just made in the same place in China anyways.
It is a big jump from $550 up to $2100 (also the extra tax is huge) especially since these things can't go over 32km/h and are limited to local commuting. It would be a lot easier to drop $550 than $2100, and it seems like the motorino would have to be a LOT better for that extra $1550 dollars. I suppose if the main difference is reliability and the fact that the motorino can make it up steep hills, then i suppose that is a nice upgrade, but it doesn't seem like an extra $1550 when in all probability they are made in the same place...
I wish there was more information available on these. I guess since electric scooters are still quite underground it is fairly hard to find info. I have been searching for hours for info on luyuan scooters and found very little. |
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Storm
Journeyman Modder
Australia
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Posted - 11/16/2009 : 12:20:57
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All honestly 500w isn't alot of power and it will struggle and slow upon climbing hills, many hills 500w won't pull you up so you will need to pedal, if you bought a cheaper bike you could modify it to run a more powerfull but illegal motor and controller, these electric bikes rarely are policed and depends abit on your riding style, it's at your own risk.
I've had an Yamaha Aerox 50cc and the quality of that machine was far above the competing chinese cheepos, I bought it near new secondhand for more $$$ than a new china cheepo, I was impressed it was a complete package a solid feel not like plastic or fragile.
These MOTORINO scooters are probably made to compete with the 50cc gassers, no where near the power but the fill a need. A stock restricted 50cc 2 stroke usually has 2-3KW.
There is another E scooter more suited to traveling not just shop runs and that is the EVT which can come with lithium and is far superior to lead. http://www.evtamerica.com/
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hpndvr
Starting Member
London
Ontario
Canada
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Posted - 07/07/2010 : 17:46:17
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I came across this forum with your question... I currently have a Motorino XPN - there amazing. Can't compare to Gio or Daymak. I own 2 Daymaks and a Gio 500 as well.quote:
Originally posted by thesmoth
Has anyone ever heard of these scoots. Their website claims they have some fancy 3 speed CCT motor with regenerative breaking, etc... They are 500 watt brushless motors.
"Our MOTORINO™ motors can outperform standard brushless hub or brushless geared motors. Wider and thicker magnets are driven by custom windings to produce 35% more torque than other 500Watt and 750Watt LEV motors. Those windings are sequenced by our new CCT controller- a durable governor which applies torque and speed when necessary, while conserving battery reserves when possible. Satisfying both Canadian and American regulations for power-assisted bicycle motors, our MOTORINO DC Brushless Hub motors can climb steeper and longer hills while carrying heavier loads than any competitor’s bike at the same continuous power. "
They claim they are patenting this technology and that all other cheap chinese scooters will have much worse torque and hill climbing ability. Has anyone ever heard of this, does this sound legit? I've seen cheap scooters from china that people in Vancouver import that cost around $650 for a 500watt, and the motorino scooters here in vancouver cost around $2000, also for a 500 watt. They say that the motors and regenerative breaks are much better and patented, etc... but are the engines actually different than those found in the cheapo $650 ones? They look very similar and have very similar features, accept for the regenerative breaks and CCT system.
I just don't want to spend 3 x the price on a motorino and find out that it is basically the same thing as the cheapo $650 ones.
A place here called sinclair motors sells these LUYUAN 500watt scooters for about $650, and a place called raylight scooters sells ones for about $1400 (they booth look very similar and have the same specs). The motorino ones are much more at around $2100, but as I said they seem to have a few extra features.
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motofeast
Starting Member
la
CA
USA
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Posted - 07/18/2010 : 01:40:43
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i love yamaha
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Edited by - motofeast on 07/18/2010 01:41:37 |
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drmonkeybrains
Starting Member
Kelowna
BC
Canada
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Posted - 07/24/2010 : 21:40:07
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I just got the XPh. A larger scoot and much faster than 32Km/h. I was running at 40+ in the 2 torque setting. So far I like it.
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